MISLEADING surprise surprise the uighur "genocide" was a big fat CIA lie

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about as real as the iraq WMDs, or Assad using chemical weapons, the north korea ""famine"". oh and remember when iran was gonna nuke israel or some shit.

oh well none of this matters, this is gonna get memory holed and they'll invest in another lie that everyone will eat up, they've really been pushing this whole taiwan thing as of late.
 

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I've already expressed my thoughts on the issue.

But I've reached the point where I think they're all in on a global conspiracy.

I feel it's basically hopeless for the masses because the masses are too dumb and morally corrupt. They can grasp "it's the US!," "it's China!" but I don't think they will understand that it's actually an international Jewish-Masonic power structure and go after that power structure. Given that inability, I don't see them escaping the system of control. They would only attack branches of the tree but not attack the tree itself.

A minority can step back and understand the real nature of things but without the ability to actually change what is happening- sort of like the youths in Surah Al Kahf. The youths understood the reality but the masses weren't on the same page and so they were marginalized to the point that they had to flee persecution.

You have the masses who have been dumbed down, morally corrupted and are in the dark. If you try to explain what's really happening- they will laugh at you, think you are crazy and won't believe you. They may become hostile. The most a person can feasibly hope for imo is to be a part of a marginalized minority that understands what's happening- and then for that minority to get in the cave, metaphorically speaking. Before, that minority might be marginalized, derided, etc. But now that minority is actually in danger. Intellectual discourse isn't the way to rule the masses- they are under the influence of shameless liars interested in manipulation rather than truth. And the ones manipulating the deceived masses- they are wanting to rile the masses up against the ones that are a threat to the power structure and so the aforementioned perceptive minority is in real danger.

Imo it is beyond the point of discussion. The Western countries imo are on the verge of converting into extreme totalitarian states where people guilty of thought crime will basically have a target on their head.

I think I've said what there is for me to say. I think Western countries will convert to this emerging new totalitarianism and then each individual will be faced with a series of decisions and what happens will be based on what decisions the given individual chooses.

I am optimistic for myself. But I am not optimistic for the masses.
 

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"As the masses, by definition, neither should nor can direct their own personal existence, and still less rule society in general... As they say in the United States: "to be different is to be indecent." The mass crushes beneath it everything that is different, everything that is excellent, individual, qualified and select. Anybody who is not like everybody, who does not think like everybody, runs the risk of being eliminated... We are living, then, under the brutal empire of the masses."

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the Uygur matter has always been about secession they want their own state, daddy china says no, the CIA made this a china hates Muslims matter, the Uygur matter is not all that different from the Tibet matter.
 

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May Allah protect and grant freedom to our beloved brothers and sisters in East Turkestan!!
There’s surely no barrier between the dua(s) of the oppressed and Allah.
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the Uygur matter has always been about secession they want their own state, daddy china says no, the CIA made this a china hates Muslims matter, the Uygur matter is not all that different from the Tibet matter.
The forcefully steal kids and send to them to 'education camps' to learn Han Chinese and be forced to 'act' Han Chinese by eating pork , men will be forced to shave their beards, security forces sleep with their wives , every inch of xinjiang is being monitored and you think it is a secession issue?:gaas:
 

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The forcefully steal kids and send to them to 'education camps' to learn Han Chinese and be forced to 'act' Han Chinese by eating pork , men will be forced to shave their beards, security forces sleep with their wives , every inch of xinjiang is being monitored and you think it is a secession issue?:gaas:
never said the Chinese liked Islam or any other religion, shit they even have a law where you aren't allowed to reincarnate without government approval just to fuck with Tibet, still, the conflict started because of secession, cant really blame uyghurs for wanting secession from an atheist surveillance state.
 
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never said the Chinese liked Islam or any other religion, shit they even have a law where you aren't allowed to reincarnate without government approval just to fuck with Tibet, still, the conflict started because of secession, cant really blame uyghurs for wanting secession from an atheist surveillance state.
It started because of that but now it is more than that, they have 1M people in camps working as slaves
 

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damn you got no chill
He is a clear cut kaffir
“If any amongst you takes them (disbelievers) as Auliya (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.) then surely he is one of them. Verily Allah Guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists, wrongdoers & unjust)”[5:51]
“O you who believe! Do not take My enemies and your enemies as allies extending to them affection while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth, having driven out the Messenger and yourselves only because you believe in Allah, your Lord.” [al-Mumtahanah 60:1]
Imam at-Tabari رَحِمَهُ اللهّٰ: “Do not, O believers, take the disbelievers as a source of help and support or ally yourself with them in support of their religion, supporting them against the Muslims instead of the believers & telling them about the Muslims’ weak points ——
—— for whoever does that “will never be helped by Allah in any way”. What is meant is that he has disavowed Allah and Allah has disavowed him because of his apostasy from His religion and his becoming a disbeliever. “Except if you indeed fear a danger from them” [Al ‘Imran 3:28]
that is, unless you are under their rule & you fear they may kill you, so you pay lip service to giving them support, whilst concealing enmity towards them in your hearts & you do not support them in what they are following of disbelief or help them against any Muslim in any way”
[Tafsir at-Tabari 3/140] Ibn Taymiyah رحمه الله: “If the Sahaba called those who withheld zakah apostates even though they fasted and prayed & did not fight the main body of the Muslimsnthen how about those who have joined the enemies of Allah & His Messenger to fight Muslims?”
 
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just thinking that the media is lying about Uyghurs isn't proof that a person is kaffir. the media lies all the time so it's perfectly reasonable to think they could be lying about the Uyghur thing.
 

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just thinking that the media is lying about Uyghurs isn't proof that a person is kaffir. the media lies all the time so it's perfectly reasonable to think they could be lying about the Uyghur thing.
There have been multiple of evidence of the torture our brothers have endured xinjiang. He is siding with the kuffar against the muslimeen
 

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There have been multiple of evidence of the torture our brothers have endured xinjiang. He is siding with the kuffar against the muslimeen

It isn't fard to believe CNN. People can look at the evidence on both sides and draw their own conclusions. I've looked at both sides and I think the Western media is massively exaggerating about Xinjiang for geopolitical reasons.

The post is making the non sequitur fallacy.

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Just because someone thinks that the media is lying (yet again) it doesn't necessarily follow that they are siding with the kuffar against the Muslims.
 
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I think the Uyghur thing is just the "WMDs" of today. This is a routine thing that is done by the Western countries.
 

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It isn't fard to believe CNN. People can look at the evidence on both sides and draw their own conclusions. I've looked at both sides and I think the Western media is massively exaggerating about Xinjiang for geopolitical reasons.

The post is making the non sequitur fallacy.

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Just because someone thinks that the media is lying (yet again) it doesn't necessarily follow that they are siding with the kuffar against the Muslims.
Thousands of muslims are lying then, these are not kuffar but actual uyghurs btw committing fallacy doesn’t make the argument wrong, you’re committing the fallacy fallacy
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