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What I think is that somalis don't all come from the same people. We have different origins but over time we absorbed each other to the extent our differences became minimal. For example issaq, darod are confederations. Meaning the people have a recent common origin but anciently we aren't related or we don't come from the same people. The story's somalis say on there clan origin has some truth to it definitely but It doesn't apply to us all. What I believe happened between us was there was migrations of different people. These people were assimilated by proto somalis. They became and mingled with the locals. Over time their differences became undetectable from the wider group of somalis. These people left their genetic trace on some of their descendants. Over a long period of time the decendent of the people who happened to migrate and the local peoples became one and merged together. The heritage and identity formed by the locals was taken by the descendants of the migrated people. As far as our recently common origin we are the same group of people. But as we go back to our ancient origins we are different people who became one. The somali clan identity is most likely a formation of the descendants and locals intermingling to become one big family of a large tree. At the present time somalinimo is known to be our shared identity and common origin. The clan stoys of Middle Eastern males migration to somalis probably has some truth to it but I don't think it happened any time recently but most to likely proto somalis. This story may have become a folklore that was passed down from generations. And after the Islamic identity and way of life became an established part of the somali identity. Some geeljires decided to remix these story's to suit them for there own benefit so they could establishe a hierarchy in the somali society's by being closer to the noble rasul. In conclusion modern somalis are the same. But we aren't as homogeneous as we think:manny:

Interesting idea.

off topic but can I ask what you have against paragraphs?

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What I think is that somalis don't all come from the same people. We have different origins but over time we absorbed each other to the extent our differences became minimal. For example issaq, darod are confederations. Meaning the people have a recent common origin but anciently we aren't related or we don't come from the same people. The story's somalis say on there clan origin has some truth to it definitely but It doesn't apply to us all. What I believe happened between us was there was migrations of different people. These people were assimilated by proto somalis. They became and mingled with the locals. Over time their differences became undetectable from the wider group of somalis. These people left their genetic trace on some of their descendants. Over a long period of time the decendent of the people who happened to migrate and the local peoples became one and merged together. The heritage and identity formed by the locals was taken by the descendants of the migrated people. As far as our recently common origin we are the same group of people. But as we go back to our ancient origins we are different people who became one. The somali clan identity is most likely a formation of the descendants and locals intermingling to become one big family of a large tree. At the present time somalinimo is known to be our shared identity and common origin. The clan stoys of Middle Eastern males migration to somalis probably has some truth to it but I don't think it happened any time recently but most to likely proto somalis. This story may have become a folklore that was passed down from generations. And after the Islamic identity and way of life became an established part of the somali identity. Some geeljires decided to remix these story's to suit them for there own benefit so they could establishe a hierarchy in the somali society's by being closer to the noble rasul. In conclusion modern somalis are the same. But we aren't as homogeneous as we think:manny:
Some process of Somalization assimilation or synergy happened between groups through Somali history. How and when is unknown and therefore this type of speculation is irrelevant, especially to the modern context of identity.
 

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Some process of Somalization assimilation or synergy happened between groups through Somali history. How and when is unknown and therefore this type of speculation is irrelevant, especially to the modern context of identity.
Nah wasn't being definite or conclusive
.... just giving my two cents on what I thought happened.... :manny:identity is linked to heritage as well
 

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Nah wasn't being definite or conclusive
.... just giving my two cents on what I thought happened.... :manny:identity is linked to heritage as well
Identity is linked to heritage you know of. Whatever is beyond that's is supposed on a pure probability and abstraction. Even if we knew some admixtures, etc., it will not inform us of those peoples any more than gene-mediation. The rest of who they were would be speculative in how we clustered them and try to paint the rest. And if and when we find specific population processes, that would still not redefine identity.
 

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Identity is linked to heritage you know of. Whatever is beyond that's is supposed on a pure probability and abstraction. Even if we knew some admixtures, etc., it will not inform us of those peoples any more than gene-mediation. The rest of who they were would be speculative in how we clustered them and try to paint the rest. And if and when we find specific population processes, that would still not redefine identity.
Your right actually. But we can link the pieces we have. Which is history we know of, Linguistics and lineage. Historical timing. It doesn't define who we are today or what our identity today. But genetic, historical research will alow us to see te bigger picture of our origins. Somalis definitely don't come from the same origins. Haplogroups tell us that. But today our autosomal dna shows that we are somalis. But it wouldn't hurt if you can find the historic origins of your Y-DNA and mtDNA which are passed on from the first man and woman to their descendants. Doing research on your origins doesn't define who your are or what you define as:manny:I'm somali 100%. From waqoyi. But it's very possible that my lineage originates in the middle east :manny:
 

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Your right actually. But we can link the pieces we have. Which is history we know of, Linguistics and lineage. Historical timing. It doesn't define who we are today or what our identity today. But genetic, historical research will alow us to see te bigger picture of our origins. Somalis definitely don't come from the same origins. Haplogroups tell us that. But today our autosomal dna shows that we are somalis. But it wouldn't hurt if you can find the historic origins of your Y-DNA and mtDNA which are passed on from the first man and woman to their descendants. Doing research on your origins doesn't define who your are or what you define as:manny:I'm somali 100%. From waqoyi. But it's very possible that my lineage originates in the middle east :manny:
Even if that’s true too many Somali admixture made you look like us:oday2:
 

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An ethnic group is just a group with a common cultural or nationalistic tradition. A common history, tradition, ancestry, language, etc. In the case of a ethnic group that practice a single religion that makes up the basis of their culture they’re called ethnoreligios groups. So think Parsis or Yazidis or even Somalis. You guys are putting too much emphasis on genetics. You can be on cohesive ethnic group that has assimilated different populations overtime. Think of modern day Turks, at best very few Turks have actual genetic ties to Central Asia. However they speak a Turkic language, have traditions and national epics speaking about their nomadic great ancestors, etc. Culturally they are Turkic and that’s all that matters. So to me it is culture, it doesn’t matter if today we assimilate a million Oromo. It is a common culture and tradition that is at the heart of every ethnic group.
 

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An ethnic group is just a group with a common cultural or nationalistic tradition. A common history, tradition, ancestry, language, etc. In the case of a ethnic group that practice a single religion that makes up the basis of their culture they’re called ethnoreligios groups. So think Parsis or Yazidis or even Somalis. You guys are putting too much emphasis on genetics. You can be on cohesive ethnic group that has assimilated different populations overtime. Think of modern day Turks, at best very few Turks have actual genetic ties to Central Asia. However they speak a Turkic language, have traditions and national epics speaking about their nomadic great ancestors, etc. Culturally they are Turkic and that’s all that matters. So to me it is culture, it doesn’t matter if today we assimilate a million Oromo. It is a common culture and tradition that is at the heart of every ethnic group.
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